Will Duffy presents open theism to agnostic atheist PineCreek Doug

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Used by Permission of Will Duffy and agnostic atheist Doug at PineCreek who's at https://youtu.be/lk2kEHaohsg. (Beware: Doug's slight echo goes away in 30 minutes but rejecting God could last forever.) Find the 33 Categories of Bible verses and Will's debates at https://opentheism.org shows. See Doug's 8-question PineCreek Challenge for Christians at https://kgov.com/pinecreek-challenge-answered. COMMENTS: Some who watched Doug and Will talk live commented here on our BEL channel under open theism and related videos. Here are some of those... Doug Viewer: 2 months ago [beneath Will's debate with theologian Matt Slick https://youtu.be/JCNPmLIOnDg ] Whats more impressive? A God who cant sin, or a God who could sin but doesn't? What's more impressive a person who has had brain surgery that makes it impossible for him to sin, or a person who is very capable of sinning but who chooses not too? Doug Viewer: 2 months ago "perfect" can change. It doesnt become more perfect. It becomes perfectly different. Duffy Fan: Hello, just to say, I enjoy reading your comments. Thanks for being here! Doug Viewer: "infinite knowledge" could mean knowing everything that there is to know. Excluding the future, since it hasn't happened yet, there's nothing to know, yet. Highlighted comment [beneath open theism video at https://youtu.be/isRksh30ZUI ] Doug Viewer: If the future "must be open" then how does God "know" that Satan will be destroyed in the "lake of fire"? If God doesn't know the future and if he's capable of changing his mind , how can he know he wont change his mind and reconcile with Satan? Or others? Duffy Fan: Hey! I think I could answer that to your satisfaction if I can understand something about your thinking. If a person (or say, a sentient being) has a will, meaning that he has the ability to decide, and that He can think new thoughts, and is therefore free in that sense, does that imply that he must be incapable of being consistent, or that he must be irrational, or that he must be incapable of commitment, or that he must be a liar? That is, do you think that it is somehow a contradiction to assert that God is both free and truthful, both free and rational, both free and consistent, both free and capable of commitment? Doug Viewer: until you can demonstrate that your God and his Hell are real, I will continue to operate as if they don't exist. I've been threatened with Christian Hell since just after birth. I no longer lose sleep over it. Lots of other things to be concerned with. Like waking up in Islamic Hell, or being reincarnated as a dung beetle. Duffy Fan: Hi again. Your heart and mind may be hardened against reason and against the evidence. The Bible in Hebrews 11:1 teaches us that faith is the proper response to the evidence of things not seen. If you have bias against your Creator, how will you ever see that the evidence for His existence is everywhere you look. At your leisure, feel free to check out our rsr.org/lists including those showing the evidence For God and Against the Alternative. Doug Viewer: I suggest that your heart may he "hardened" against the truth of Vishnu. Duffy Fan: Thanks for offering that argument. The world is filled with countless truth claims... So, if Jesus did not rise from the dead as He said He would, then Christianity is false, as the Apostle Paul writes. But, if Christ did rise from the dead, then every other religion is false and He is Lord. Doug Viewer: go talk to some scientists (not brainwashed God worshippers) if you don't believe the science, write a peer reviewed paper, and change the world. I have no idea how you could possibly care about convincing me. Please go away. I've got much better things to do. Duffy Fan: Hey, love you bro. I care about convincing you because I care about you. And yes... Doug Viewer: 1 month ago sorry for being blunt, but my time is limited and i see no point in debating a... Duffy Fan: 1 week ago Hey! I held off replying for a month in response to you saying your time is limited. That's one thing though about the most important questions. They never go away. ... if you have faith (that is, as the New Testament defines it, if you have a proper response to "the +evidence+ of things not seen") then at the least you should be able to acknowledge that everywhere you look there is the appearance of design. See this also at rsr.org/fine-tuned. Doug Viewer: also, i appreciate your effort to convince me. It seems pure. Not an attempt to be right. (like a lot of believers, and atheists. 👍 But why is a real God not able to convince me by himself? If i had anything close to the real burning bush experiences that many theists report, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. ... Maybe you can persuade him... See more great and respectful dialogue at one of the best places for it, the BEL YouTube Channel, beneath the open theism video that generated the comments above, at https://youtu.be/JCNPmLIOnDg