Unbelievable Debate on Romans 9 REVIEWED

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• Romans 9

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Time-Stamps: John Cranman Clips: 1:56, 5:53, 7:49 (problems with the apostolic interpretation view), 13:02 (soteriological election doesn't imply individual election of individuals to salvation; it can also refer to a soteriological explanation for why all of ethnic Jews are being hardened and thus not saved), 14:54, 16:11 (Flower's role-plays as Calvinist objector: 16:53), 18:03 (response to objector), 19:49, 29:49, 32:16, 39:07, 43:01, 44:18, 48:08, 54:14 (the meaning of soteriology in Romans 9), 57:14 (what is the objector objecting to?), 1:00:21, 1:03:05 (White imports Romans 8 into Romans 9), 1:09:12 (Calvinist need to establish Romans 9 as a proof-text), 1:12:37 (2 Timothy 2, verses 20 and 21 implies that the pot/potter analogy is conditional), 1:20:26 (Peter and how Paul is sometimes hard to understand), 1:26:39, 1:34:09 Leighton Flowers Clips: 3:35 (the main Calvinistic assumption: the unconditional election of Isaac and Jacob for salvation) 4:41 - Traditionalist (election for who the promise would come through) vs. Calvinists understanding of Election (individual, effectual salvation) 8:29 - Problems with appealing to the apostolic interpretation 9:50 - Establishing what Election is: God's Election of Israel (law, prophets, apostles, and Messiah comes through these people) 15:41 - Provisionalism (God's right to choose how to define His covenant people; 33:23 - makes more sense of OT quotations and Romans 10 and 11) vs. Calvinism regarding God's Election (25:21 - God's right to unconditionally choose individuals for effectual salvation). 18:30 - Paul's own commentary on his argument: just because you're a natural born descendant of the seed, if you curse the seed, you will be cursed (not a part of the covenant people) - becoming a part of the covenant people is by faith, not works (faithful Jews and Gentiles, not Ethnic Israel by works). 21:33 - Paul's use of allegory in Romans 9 (Galatians 4). 28:22 - James White's answer as to whether or not Ishmael or Esau were saved. 29:18 - Response 26:09 - James White's answer regarding why Paul is quoting the OT texts. Flowers' response - 36:54; 39:49; 44:02; 45:04 (Matthew 22 - Paul is living out Banquet Parable); 49:27, 53:14 56:31 - The emphasis on the Cranman debate on establishing where 'election to salvation' is in Romans 9. James White's answer: 59:55; 1:01:16-1:03:00. Flowers' response: 1:04:57 (foreknowledge in Romans 8/ glory-mercy and wrath-hardening consistent with Provisionism) 1:09:06 - Other Challenges for Calvinists. 1:13:12 (potter analogy in 2 Timothy, Jeremiah 18). 1:16:57 - Weighing the evidence pro/con on a scale 1:22:25 - Message to Calvinists 1:28:29 - Rejecting Calvinism because of an emotional appeal? 1:35:54 - Discovering that Calvinism may be mistaken 1:37:23 - Theistic Determinism Clip from a James White debate: 6:59 - White stresses the importance of the Apostolic Interpretation of Genesis 25 and Malachi 1. Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, has guest, John Cranman, on the show to discuss his recent debate over Romans 9 with James White on the Unbelievable podcast (which can be heard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVm9dlPRYs) To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play or one of the other podcast players found here: https://soteriology101.com/home/ For more about Traditionalism (or Provisionism) please visit www.soteriology101.com Dr. Flowers’ book, “The Potter’s Promise” can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Potters-Promise-Biblical-Traditional-Soteriology/dp/0692561846/ref=nodl_ Dr. Flowers’ book, “God’s Provision for All” can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Provision-All-Defense-Goodness-ebook/dp/B07PLL85Y6/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2BQ08Y6XOZV5S&keywords=leighton+flowers&qid=1556650306&s=gateway&sprefix=leighton%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-2 To engage with other believers cordially join our Facebook group: https://m.facebook.com/groups/1806702782965265/?ref=group_header&view=group For updates and news follow us at: www.facebook/Soteriology101 Or @soteriology101 on Twitter Please SHARE on Facebook and Twitter and help spread the word! To become a Patreon supporter or make a one time donation: https://soteriology101.com/support/