Tim Schraeder Rodriguez on 15 Years Behind the Scenes of Evangelical Christianity

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For 15 years, Tim Schraeder Rodriguez quietly shaped the digital face of some of the biggest names in evangelical Christianity — Willow Creek, Hillsong, Elevation — helping mega-churches reach millions with a message of radical welcome. The painful irony? He was living proof of their unspoken rules. Useful in the shadows. Unacceptable in the light. In this conversation, Tim joins Jen and Amy to talk about his new memoir, Conversion Therapy Dropout, and the full arc of his story: growing up adopted with a sense of "anxious apartness," signing the purity pledge as a kid who already knew he was gay, eight years in the loosely-held and deeply damaging world of conversion therapy, and eventually a breaking point that brought him to his knees — and then, slowly, to himself. Today, the conversation swirls around what conversion therapy actually looks like from the inside (football coaches, Mary Kay consultants, and all), the complicated grief of leaving a community that was also your career and your family, how the Pulse Orlando shooting became Tim's personal line in the sand, and what it took to find his way back to faith — this time, in church basements with other sober queer people finding a God of their own understanding. They also get into the current state of conversion therapy in America, why it's more active and accessible than most people realize, and what the rest of us — regular people who just live on their street and go to their jobs — can actually do about it. This one is hard and beautiful and hopeful. Don't miss it. Thought-provoking Quotes: ★ "I was living proof of their unspoken rules. I was useful in the shadows, but unacceptable in the light." – Tim Schraeder Rodriguez ★ "It really kind of disintegrates you in body, mind and spirit because you're acting and being something and someone that you're not." – Tim Schraeder Rodriguez ★ "Freedom wasn't finally becoming who they said I was supposed to be, but finally embracing who I believe God created me to be." – Tim Schraeder Rodriguez ★ "More transformation was happening in church basements than was ever happening upstairs." – Tim Schraeder Rodriguez ★ "I finally feel like I'm living from a place of honesty and truth. I sense and feel God's presence with me today now more as an openly gay man than I ever did in the years I was in conversion therapy." – Tim Schraeder Rodriguez Resources Mentioned in This Episode: ➢ Dissenting Harmony - Amy’s Rage Choir - https://dissentingharmony.betterworld.org/ ➢ Conversion Therapy Dropout: A Queer Story of Faith and Belonging by Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez - https://amzn.to/48smCCv ➢ Conversion Therapy Dropout audiobook - https://amzn.to/3OZULmD ➢ Exodus International - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_International ➢ The Trevor Project — thetrevorproject.org ➢ Q Christian Fellowship — qchristian.org ➢ Shauna Niequist - https://www.shaunaniequist.com/ ➢ Church Clarity - https://www.churchclarity.org/ ➢ Pray The Gay to Stay - Tim's forthcoming online community and 31-day course for queer Christians navigating out of conversion therapy (launching mid-June) Guest’s Links: Website - http://www.timothysrodriguez.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/timothy.s.rodriguez/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/timothy.schraeder# TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@timothy.s.rodriguez Substack - https://timothysrodriguez.substack.com/ Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.