Juneteenth, Justice & the Next America: Lisa Sharon Harper | For The Love

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As we celebrate Juneteenth, Jen sits down with writer, activist, theologian, and longtime friend Lisa Sharon Harper for a conversation that's equal parts history lesson, spiritual challenge, and call to action. Together, they explore the often-overlooked story of Juneteenth. Not just the delayed news of emancipation in Texas, but the deeper history of freedom promised, denied, and fought for across generations. Fresh from a powerful march across Selma's Edmund Pettus Bridge, Lisa reflects on what it means to stand in the footsteps of civil rights heroes while confronting the realities of the present moment. Drawing from her own family's legacy of resistance, she shares why her hope no longer rests in institutions, laws, or political systems, but in ordinary people willing to bend the arc of history toward justice. The conversation moves from the unfinished work of voting rights to the spiritual courage required for this cultural moment. As Lisa puts it, perhaps our task is not simply to recover what has been lost, but to become "the architects of the next America." Whether you're marking Juneteenth, wrestling with questions about democracy and belonging, or searching for hope in uncertain times, this conversation is a timely reminder that freedom has always depended on people willing to imagine, and build, something better. THOUGHT-PROVOKING QUOTES "The Supreme Court has effectively placed us back into the time of Plessy vs Ferguson, which said separate and equal is okay, the time of even Dred Scott, which says a Black man has no rights that a white man need abide by. That's what they're gunning for." — Lisa Sharon Harper "In the past, my hope was in the law. My hope was in the dream of America. My hope was in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights. My hope was in the church. But what I'm learning is that the arc of the moral universe has bent toward justice because people have bent it." — Lisa Sharon Harper "What can they do to us? They can put us in jail. God is there. They can deport us. God will be there. They can kill us. And God will be there. So what can they do? They can't do anything to us. Not really." — Lisa Sharon Harper Resources Mentioned in This Episode: ➢ (The Gospel of Shalom) Unequally Saved: The Church’s Role in Racism with Lisa Sharon Harper - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-08/unequally-saved-the-churchs-role-in-racism-with-lisa-sharon-harper/ ➢ Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World--and How to Repair It All by Lisa Sharon Harper - https://amzn.to/43LTXW1 ➢ “All Roads Lead To The South” Rally - https://blackpowerwarroom.com/dayofaction/ ➢ A Resistance History of the United States by Tad Stoermer - https://amzn.to/4dK3RNS ➢ Amazing Grace | William Wilberforce film - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454776/ ➢ Battle of the Alamo (Wikipedia) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo ➢ Stephen F. Austin (Wikipedia) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Austin ➢ Dr, Opal Lee - https://www.womenshistory.org/women-making-history-awards/dr-opal-lee ➢ Bishop Michael Curry - https://www.episcopalchurch.org/michael-b-curry/ ➢ Katica Roy - https://www.katicaroy.com/about ➢ The Clearing Retreats - https://lisasharonharper.substack.com/p/breaking-our-silence-in-the-clearing ➢ How to Decolonize the Bible (original iteration) - https://freedomroad.us/downloads/how-to-decolonize-the-bible-webinar/ ➢ Lisa’s Substack | Subscribe for updates about How to Decolonize the Bible 2.0 - https://lisasharonharper.substack.com/ Guest’s Links: Website - https://lisasharonharper.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lisasharper Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/lisasharonharper.page/ Substack - https://lisasharonharper.substack.com/ Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/freedom-road-podcast/id1342811935 Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker #JenHatmaker #ForTheLovePodcast #Juneteenth #LisaSharonHarper #Freedom #Justice #Faith #CivilRights #VotingRights #Podcast Tags (paste into the YouTube tags field) Jen Hatmaker, For the Love podcast, Lisa Sharon Harper, Juneteenth, Juneteenth 2026, freedom, racial justice, civil rights, Edmund Pettus Bridge, Selma march, Fortune Lisa Sharon Harper, voting rights, democracy, faith and justice, theology, decolonize the Bible, the next America, Dr Opal Lee, Jen Hatmaker podcast, second half of life The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

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